
Tali is the Latin name for Knucklebones, which were called Astragaloi or Astragals by the Greeks. The Ancient Greeks originally made the pieces from the knucklebones of sheep or goats, like the ones shown below, but the Romans would also make them from brass, silver, gold, ivory, marble, wood, bone, bronze, glass, terracotta, and precious gems. When tossed, the tali would each fall on one of four sides and the most common form of the game resembled modern dice.

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At the left is shown the backside of a bronze mirror inscribed with an image of Venus playing Tali with Pan. This mirror dates from 350 BC and comes from Greece, where Venus was know as Aphrodite. In 350 BC players in both Greece and Rome likely still played with astragali, but more and more they changed to using dice. |
There were variations on scoring. Numerical values did not have precedence over a Venus, the Vultures, or a Senio. Numerical values for the other possibilities would represent a simple variation.
In place of numerical values, the concept of pairs of numbers could take precedence, as it does in modern cards. Other rules could be agreed upon at the start of the game, in much the same way as is done at the beginning of a poker hand.
Obviously the odds of any side coming up were
not equal. Perhaps the "chian" throw (narrow convex) and the "coan" throw
(narrow concave) tended to come up more frequently.
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It has been suggested by one modern source that the side facing down was the one counted, but this is most improbable. Given that three or four astragali were thrown, some deduction would be required to figure out what sides were facing down, since it would never be obvious. This wouldn't be much fun, of course, and for someone to pick up the astragali and verify the throw could lead to mortal violence if gambling were involved. In any event if the bottom side were counted then the top side would simply come to represent that value on sight, negating the idea of counting the bottom side. Like the later dice that replaced them, the tali were surely counted based on the side that came up, not down.
Based on the scant descriptions of the scoring in Tali, it would appear that only Venus, Senio, Vultures, and Dogs were scored, and that all other results were simply ignored and replayed. That is, the only throws that counted were Venus, Senio, Vultures. Any other result and the tali would be throw again by the next player, presumably. The pot, if any, would remain until a winner was decided. Also, if a Senio was thrown by two or more players, it would be a draw and the next round would presumably begin again with the pot remaining. Scoring rules are provided below for the simple version without Senio scoring.
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| (6,4,3,1) :Venus -- all four tali with different sides. |
| (6,x,x,x) : Senio -- A single six & anything |
| (6,6,6,6) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (4,4,4,4) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (3,3,3,3) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (1,1,1,1) : Dogs -- lowest of the Vultures |
One problem with the simple scoring rules above is that it fails to explain why some tali had numbered sides, that is, why they were numbered with a 6, 4, 3, or 1 at all if these numbers had no meaning. The implication is that the numbers were totaled as part of the scoring. The scoring rules below are for a version in which the Senio throws only are scored according to numerical superiority.
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| (6,4,3,1) :Venus -- all four tali with different sides. |
| (6,6,6,4) : Senio -- A single six Total = 22 |
| (6,6,6,3) : Senio -- A single six Total = 21 |
| (6,6,4,4) : Senio -- A single six Total = 20 |
| (6,6,6,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 19 |
| (6,6,4,3) : Senio -- A single six Total = 19 |
| (6,6,6,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 19 |
| (6,6,3,3) : Senio -- A single six Total = 18 |
| (6,4,4,4) : Senio -- A single six Total = 18 |
| (6,6,4,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 17 |
| (6,4,4,3) : Senio -- A single six Total = 17 |
| (6,6,3,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 16 |
| (6,4,3,3) : Senio -- A single six Total = 16 |
| (6,4,4,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 14 |
| (6,3,3,3) : Senio -- A single six Total = 14 |
| (6,6,1,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 14 |
| (6,3,3,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 13 |
| (6,4,1,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 12 |
| (6,3,1,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 11 |
| (6,1,1,1) : Senio -- A single six Total = 9 |
| (6,6,6,6) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (4,4,4,4) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (3,3,3,3) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (1,1,1,1) : Dogs -- lowest of the Vultures |
The extended scoring rules presented below are based on simple numerical superiority, except for Venus, Senio, Vultures, and Dogs (lowest of the Vultures). Also, the Senio rules presented above can be assumed to apply or not, as the players prefer. In the case of tying values, poker-like rules are assumed to prevail, that is, a triple beats a pair, but two pair beat a triple.
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| (6,4,3,1) :Venus -- all four tali with different sides. |
| (6,6,6,4) : Total = 22 |
| (6,6,6,3) : Total = 21 |
| (6,6,4,4) : Total = 20 |
| (6,6,6,1) : Total = 19 (high) |
| (6,6,4,3) : Total = 19 |
| (6,6,3,3) : Total = 18 |
| (6,6,4,1) : Total = 17 |
| (6,6,3,1) : Total = 16 |
| (4,4,4,3) : Total = 15 |
| (6,6,1,1) : Total = 14 (high) |
| (4,4,3,3) : Total = 14 |
| (4,4,4,1) : Total = 13 |
| (4,4,3,1) : Total = 12 |
| (4,3,3,1) : Total = 11 |
| (4,4,1,1) : Total = 10 (high) |
| (3,3,3,1) : Total = 10 |
| (4,3,1,1) : Total = 9 |
| (3,3,1,1) : Total = 8 |
| (4,1,1,1) : Total = 7 |
| (3,1,1,1) : Total = 6 |
| (6,x,x,x) : Senio -- a single six and anything |
| (6,6,6,6) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (4,4,4,4) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (3,3,3,3) : Vultures -- all four tali the same |
| (1,1,1,1) : Dogs -- lowest of the Vultures |
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"Cum steterit nullus vultu tibi talus eodem, munera me dices magna dedisse tibi."
"When none of the knucklebones you throw stands with the same face as another you will say I have given you a great present."
Cicero refers to the element of chance in throwing tali in his tract on Divination:
Cicero says later in the same book:
"Quattor tali iacti casu Venerium efficiunt; num etiam centum Venerios, si quadringentos ieceris, casu futuros putas?"
"Four tali are cast and a Venus results -- that is chance; but do you think it would be chance, too, if in one hundred casts you made a Venus one hundred Venus times?""Nothing is so uncertain as a cast of tali and yet there is no one who plays often who does not sometimes make a Venus and occasionally twice or thrice in a row."







![]() | At left are some tali made by Michael Paull, sheep.tali@sbcglobal.net, who may be contacted for more information. |

On the red-figured Attic vase at right is shown two women playing the same game as above. This terracotta vase dates from about 425-400 BCE. This type of vase has a cap and it was known as a Pyxis. The finial on the cap is in the shape of an astragali. On the back of this pyxis is shown another image of two girls playing with astragali and an image of two girls playing a ball game, part of which can be seen in the image below (see Roman Ball Games for an alternate view of this pyxis). This pyxis is from the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York. |
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TROPA
Martial mentions, in one of his epigrams:
Martial makes reference in another epigram of the fact that dicing was regarded as more expensive a game to play than knucklebones:
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